The knives come out
It turns my stomach to see team mates stick it to each other in this way. I understand the motive to shift the blame away from oneself in the midst of defeat, but this is unsavory.
Wednesday, 11/05/08
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humblecause wrote:
Thought you might be interested in the knives that come out when you promise everything to everyone in a multi-cultural society. Seems to be a recipe for disaster. Here are some knives that obama managed to provoke from his party with-in 12 hours of his election victory.
Is Obama Screwing His Base with Rahm Emanuel Selection?
QUOTE "I had really wanted to celebrate Barack Obama's remarkable victory for a day or so before becoming cynical again. I really did.
And yet, less than 24 hours after...." <--- wow, now that's unsavory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zunes/is-obama-screwing-his-bas_b_142286.html
Did We Elect Rahm Emanuel Last Night? I Want My Money Back
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/11/did-we-elect-rahm-emanuel-last-night-i.html
Rahm Emanuel is no Reason for Hope or Celebration
http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/84531/index.php
You can search liberal disappointment Rahm on google and find 24,000+ pages of this stuff. Your right the knives are out in the republican party, and rightfully so. Conservatives are sick to there stomachs of having to choose the lesser of to evils. I feel this was the difference in the election, not a mandate for obama, nor the agenda that was erased from obamas website after he was elected. And to be quite honest Mccain was the very last republican I wanted to see get the republican nomination, as well as every single other conservative I ever spoke with. Which makes his comeback that much more interesting, almost makes me want to delve into conspiracy theory. So let the infighting begin, I predict more there will be more that you can possibly imagine among the Democrats. As for the conservatives we are welcoming ours and consider it long over due. We need to get back to calling a spade a spade, baby killing, baby killing, and tolerance, perversion. I'm including a youtube video below of a fine example of where I hope the republican party is headed. Black and white, right and wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2rKAoBySc
Is Obama Screwing His Base with Rahm Emanuel Selection?
QUOTE "I had really wanted to celebrate Barack Obama's remarkable victory for a day or so before becoming cynical again. I really did.
And yet, less than 24 hours after...." <--- wow, now that's unsavory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zunes/is-obama-screwing-his-bas_b_142286.html
Did We Elect Rahm Emanuel Last Night? I Want My Money Back
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/11/did-we-elect-rahm-emanuel-last-night-i.html
Rahm Emanuel is no Reason for Hope or Celebration
http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/84531/index.php
You can search liberal disappointment Rahm on google and find 24,000+ pages of this stuff. Your right the knives are out in the republican party, and rightfully so. Conservatives are sick to there stomachs of having to choose the lesser of to evils. I feel this was the difference in the election, not a mandate for obama, nor the agenda that was erased from obamas website after he was elected. And to be quite honest Mccain was the very last republican I wanted to see get the republican nomination, as well as every single other conservative I ever spoke with. Which makes his comeback that much more interesting, almost makes me want to delve into conspiracy theory. So let the infighting begin, I predict more there will be more that you can possibly imagine among the Democrats. As for the conservatives we are welcoming ours and consider it long over due. We need to get back to calling a spade a spade, baby killing, baby killing, and tolerance, perversion. I'm including a youtube video below of a fine example of where I hope the republican party is headed. Black and white, right and wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2rKAoBySc
Bill wrote:
I am not very liberal. In fact, I am a moderate. Those things that frustrate the Daily Kos base usually make me happy. Rahm seems like a solid leader, and I think he will be the teeth under Obama's smooth and conciliatory style. I think his transition picks have been very positive.
I find the world to be complex, humblecause. I am a Jesus devoted evangelical who finds no solace in black and white, right and wrong language. It strikes me as more ignorant than faithful or helpful. There are absolutely things that are always wrong. Looking for simple rules to blanketly apply to all of life's moral and ethical questions is not only unrealistic, it is unfaithful to scripture and to the God whom we live to serve.
I find the world to be complex, humblecause. I am a Jesus devoted evangelical who finds no solace in black and white, right and wrong language. It strikes me as more ignorant than faithful or helpful. There are absolutely things that are always wrong. Looking for simple rules to blanketly apply to all of life's moral and ethical questions is not only unrealistic, it is unfaithful to scripture and to the God whom we live to serve.
Chuck wrote:
Despite McCain's "most liberal senator" rhetoric during the campaign, Obama is a centrist. I've been following him since he was in the Illinois state legislature. From what I've read, it's pretty likely we'll see him appoint at least one Republican to a cabinet post.
I think it's great that his approach is to surround himself with highly competent people who will sometimes disagree with each other. A side effect of this, though, is that those on either (any) of the political extremes will always have something to be upset about. We expect that the far right won't like him, but the Daily Kos folks are not only going to disagree but may sometimes feel betrayed (rightly or wrongly).
I think it's great that his approach is to surround himself with highly competent people who will sometimes disagree with each other. A side effect of this, though, is that those on either (any) of the political extremes will always have something to be upset about. We expect that the far right won't like him, but the Daily Kos folks are not only going to disagree but may sometimes feel betrayed (rightly or wrongly).
humblecause wrote:
Bill - Chuck
I think you might have read a little more into my comments on Rahm than I actually intended to come across. Actually Rahm seems to be a great pick for obama as you point out bill, being the teeth... So I'm not personally criticizing the choice as it makes since to me, as Rahm certainly is capable and competent. My point was that infighting is a double edged sword in this case, and since you advertised an example of infighting on one side of the coin, I was hoping to draw attention to the flip side in the spirit of intellectual honesty. I must thank you Bill, I honestly haven't had the opportunity to understand how a modern pastor as yourself can slip and slide around the moral issues that plague the Democratic party. My brief but incomplete encounters with the likes, led me to believe wishy washy was a safe bet for a pastor in certain environments. Perhaps the idea to tolerate a behavior or choice, is a necessary sacrifice to save a soul. Perhaps, without a neutral moral stance the church could not maintain its support in certain areas of the country. Anyway, that was what my limited exposure had brought to my thoughts on the issue. But you brought a hole new logical explanation to a question I often ponder. I hear your calls for everyone to compartmentalize there feelings on abortion. Similar is the statement no comfort/peace (solace) in black and white, right and wrong language, and that otherwise would be to reflect ignorance. So I grasp that line of thinking, I get it. My concern with that line of thinking is that to compartmentalize my feelings on abortion or homosexuality, or a host of other moral issues, would be asking me to compartmentalize the 10 commandments. There not very wordy, there is not a lot left to interpret, dare I say, there pretty much black and white. In my honest opinion, when I hear such calls to overlook the black and white rules that God gave to us, I flash back to the snake in the tree. Water down and sell the sin, and then take and spread the sin with your partner (as a means to conceal ones guilt) (the "they all did it to" line). So just as Adam and Eve broke right and wrong, they paid a price, because right and wrong is very real and extreamly clear. When I hear such calls, I see an apple being passed around the room, but I will not eat. So when you suggest that some of us are looking for "simple rules to blanketly apply to all of life's moral and ethical questions" and then write us off as "unrealistic" and "unfaithful" when all we are trying to do is follow the law God gave you as well as the rest of us, I feel a little unfairly grouped and marginalized. This is just one mans opinion. Apologies for the long winded sentances, I'm a 24/7 type person and I'm behind on my rest as of right now.
God Bless,
Humblecause
I think you might have read a little more into my comments on Rahm than I actually intended to come across. Actually Rahm seems to be a great pick for obama as you point out bill, being the teeth... So I'm not personally criticizing the choice as it makes since to me, as Rahm certainly is capable and competent. My point was that infighting is a double edged sword in this case, and since you advertised an example of infighting on one side of the coin, I was hoping to draw attention to the flip side in the spirit of intellectual honesty. I must thank you Bill, I honestly haven't had the opportunity to understand how a modern pastor as yourself can slip and slide around the moral issues that plague the Democratic party. My brief but incomplete encounters with the likes, led me to believe wishy washy was a safe bet for a pastor in certain environments. Perhaps the idea to tolerate a behavior or choice, is a necessary sacrifice to save a soul. Perhaps, without a neutral moral stance the church could not maintain its support in certain areas of the country. Anyway, that was what my limited exposure had brought to my thoughts on the issue. But you brought a hole new logical explanation to a question I often ponder. I hear your calls for everyone to compartmentalize there feelings on abortion. Similar is the statement no comfort/peace (solace) in black and white, right and wrong language, and that otherwise would be to reflect ignorance. So I grasp that line of thinking, I get it. My concern with that line of thinking is that to compartmentalize my feelings on abortion or homosexuality, or a host of other moral issues, would be asking me to compartmentalize the 10 commandments. There not very wordy, there is not a lot left to interpret, dare I say, there pretty much black and white. In my honest opinion, when I hear such calls to overlook the black and white rules that God gave to us, I flash back to the snake in the tree. Water down and sell the sin, and then take and spread the sin with your partner (as a means to conceal ones guilt) (the "they all did it to" line). So just as Adam and Eve broke right and wrong, they paid a price, because right and wrong is very real and extreamly clear. When I hear such calls, I see an apple being passed around the room, but I will not eat. So when you suggest that some of us are looking for "simple rules to blanketly apply to all of life's moral and ethical questions" and then write us off as "unrealistic" and "unfaithful" when all we are trying to do is follow the law God gave you as well as the rest of us, I feel a little unfairly grouped and marginalized. This is just one mans opinion. Apologies for the long winded sentances, I'm a 24/7 type person and I'm behind on my rest as of right now.
God Bless,
Humblecause
